Not trying to be antagonistic here I promise, but if you have the time, could you explain why and how you believe they are both black magicians? I’m noticing that I automatically disagree with you on an ego level, because I’ve had great experiences with both of them as people and creators, but if you have good reason to believe that about them then I’d be willing to consider your reasoning.
Edit: Disregard, I read through this Debates - #170 by Samurai and I think I get the general idea. I’ll have to make my own intuitive judgments I guess.